Letter to Lloyd Shepherd re pirate downloading

May 15th, 2012

I don’t have any images in this letter because I really wanted to post this cartoon, but it was insanely long. So you should just look at it there.

Hi Lloyd,

I read your article about the chap who tried to pirate your book with interest. As someone who downloads a lot of pirated stuff, I thought I would write to you and explain why.

Like other people have said, a lot of it is about trying out new products. I’m not willing to drop £8 on a film that I’ve never seen before, nor spend £9 or up on a book that I might not like. I find ebooks very ephemeral and I just won’t buy an ebook that costs above £3 – but I’ll happily download an electronic version (or a sample chapter from Amazon) and then make my decision about whether to buy the book from there. In the last twelve months I’ve bought about 15-20 physical books and pirated about 5-10. And is there also really a massive difference between the books I download from Project Gutenberg and a sixty year old book that went out of print but which is still just about generating cash?

When it comes to TV, I had a premium account on Megaupload before it went bust. But I watch primarily American TV shows that I would have to wait up to six to nine months to air on a television I don’t own. Torrents give me instant access to entire seasons I can watch over the course of a month. Buy the DVDs? I own enough crap, why would I buy more physical objects I have to physically unpack and select from when I can just open my downloads folder? I actually sold all my TV DVDs a few years back when I realised that they were gathering dust on my shelves because I was watching stuff that was already on my computer. I contribute virtually nothing financially to the television industry because they don’t give me any viable option to. I would happily pay within reason for a legal streaming service that gave me access to the same amount of television that Megaupload and its successors give me, but where is it? Hulu is US only. There’s a massive potential market right there of people who would pay the equivalent of a TV licence a year for instant and good access to TV shows that mean we don’t have to bounce around all the TV links databases hunting down streams that haven’t been taken down in between all the fake websites trying to load our computers with viruses.

I think that ultimately people pirate because that’s the terms on which they want to use content, or because they wouldn’t shell out for stuff anyway. I used to download a lot of music, then my computer exploded and I lost everything. Instead of redownloading it, I use Youtube and Grooveshark (used to use Spotify, but they had a poor selection) entirely legally. I don’t mind sitting through adverts (that aren’t rubbish). If I had to choose between buying an album, and not having access to most of the music I listen to, I just wouldn’t bother and listen to the radio instead. I think much of the angst of the music industry about “lost revenue” is guff, they’ve got millions of people like me who are ambivalent about music still discussing their artists with other people and promoting them on their behalf.

As my approach seems to be that of my friends, and we’re all in our 20s, I think a lot of piracy is going to drop off the radar as the entertainment industry finally gets a grip on the idea that maybe they should produce products that we want to buy instead of expecting us to fit their business model. I don’t know how much you know about blogging for money, but the entire blogging business model is largely based around providing lots of great quality content for free and then leveraging the fans you obtain from that work to buy optimum stuff. People like Darren Rowse make hundreds of thousands a year.

I think publishers and media companies should realise that a lot of piracy is like a lending library – people get out your work and check it out for free, and have no intention of paying for it. Maybe they don’t like your work, and put it back. Maybe they like it enough to get their own copy. And maybe they go, “meh”, hand it back, but then tell all their friends that they read it and what they thought of it. It means that a lot of bad stuff that used to make money anyway because people had to buy to see it won’t anymore. People have to up their game, and I think ultimately that is going to be a good thing. The original copyright laws only lasted five years, after all. Then you had to go make something else. Keeps creativity going.

Anyway, just thought I would let you have a more reasoned perspective than just “I want it, and I want it free, and I don’t care”.

Sarah

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The Difference Between CLEAR and Zimbabwe…

April 25th, 2012

…is very little, it would seem.

The results of the Cannabis Law Reform Party Vote of Confidence are in, and Peter Reynolds gained 70% of the vote on a 42% turnout, 232 votes to 101. Seems reasonable, doesn’t it?

Well, maybe. But check out the email that was sent out:

Dear Member

I am writing to you all about the vote of confidence in Peter Reynolds and asking you to send in your vote.

You should all have received an email from Peter explaining why we are calling for this vote, we hope it will reaffirm the mandate Peter was given a year ago when he was voted as leader by the membership of the party, then called the LCA. Peter promised to lead a focused campaign, to register as a political party, to improve the website and to increase membership, he has done all this and more.

He has represented Clear at debates, on radio, locally on the cannabis truth roadshow, spoken at events and conferences, Clear also published an independent review ‘Taxing the UK Cannabis Market’ which we launched at the House of Commons last September.

He continues to complain whenever we find lies about cannabis; his views were sought by the Leveson Inquiry into the ethics of the British press.

The website is constantly being improved, we have opened a member’s forum and our membership has grown from 60 to 800, this provides much needed cash. Last year Clear spent £13,000, we began our year with £4,500 which funded the re-branding to Clear, we received £8,500 from donations & memberships and this has been spent running our focused campaign. We have had some very generous donations. Thank you all.

We have had some problems, all with people, yes, it is politics! It began with old LCA who missed the old site and old ways, but that grew into a focused campaign of harassment, which dug into anything they could find to make Peter look bad. It is a sorry saga of exaggeration and misinformation, much is online. The results are lost members, some of whom were on our admin team, some feel Peter has lost too much credibility because of the lies and misinformation; they chose to believe the people who want Clear to fail. Even with these departures Clear has continued to grow, with plenty of new members joining the party.

Peter has the support of the remaining admin team, Mark, Myself and newly appointed Dan Ford, who has been doing such good work with the comment warriors. We believe Peter has the drive and passion that are essential if we are to make a difference in the modern world of campaigning, his record is Clear, his private opinions are just that, private, they are not Clear’s. We will continue to focus on the real campaign issues, and do whatever it takes to end prohibition.

We have decided that email is the fastest most secure method to run the vote, every member has a unique email address, so one vote per member.

I want you to reply to this email at confidence@clear-uk.org with your vote, all votes must be received by midnight – April 24th

To make it easy all you have to do is hit reply and write yes or no, then send it back, your vote is important!

1) Yes I have confidence in our present leadership.

Or

2) No, I believe there should be a leadership election.

all the best

Jan – Clear Secretary
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They started out by saying that everyone who criticised Peter is a liar and to vote for him? Hmm, that’s fair. Oh, and two days later Peter himself sent out a message asking people to vote for him:

Dear Member,

Why I Deserve Your Vote Of Confidence

If you have already voted, then thank you.

If you haven’t, then I am writing to encourage you to do so, whether or not you’re voting for me!

The party needs to speak with a CLEAR voice, so the more members who vote the better.

If you haven’t voted, you can do so by simply replying to this email. The votes don’t come to me, they go directly to Jan Wells, the party treasurer and secretary. She is checking each one for valid membership and duplication.

Naturally, I think I deserve your vote. I believe I am the right man for the job. I get results.

I invite you to compare my record with that of any other cannabis campaigner. No one works harder or achieves more in the war against prohibition. Under my leadership, CLEAR has become the largest, membership-based, drug reform group Britain has ever seen. We have put the cannabis issue back on the agenda as never before. Our campaign is professional, evidence-based and tightly focused We are being taken seriously. We are no longer regarded in the same light as the Monster Raving Loony party.

We have commisioned the most up to date, independent, expert research on cannabis in Britain. We have forced the media to stop publishing lies and misinformation about cannabis. We have taken our campaign right into the Houses of Parliament and we dominate the evidence in the HASC drugs inquiry.

I stand on my record. Inevitably, I have ruffled feathers and upset some people but I am not here to make friends. CLEAR is not a cannabis users social club. it is a serious campaign for change. If I had known the abuse and harassment I would be subject to, I would never have started along this path but now I am here I owe a duty to those who have placed their trust in me.

I really don’t know anyone else who is capable of doing the job that I do. Believe me, I’m very interested in finding the right person to succeed me. I would love to find someone to share my workload who has the ability, brains and drive to get on with it and eventually take over.

So please vote! Have your say! Speak loud, proud and CLEAR!

Yes I have confidence in our present leadership.

or

No, I believe there should be a leadership election.

Hit reply or email confidence@clear-uk.org and say “Yes” or “No” – all votes must be received by midnight – April 24th.

Thank you for reading.

Peter Reynolds

So, the person subject to the vote of no confidence was given an exclusive platform to tell everyone to vote for him? Hmm, fair.

Even setting aside that, it is evident that a lot of fully paid up Clear members never even saw those newsletters because they weren’t informed of the vote at all.

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Worse, the comments in the last screenshot about voting irregularities were simply deleted:

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So, yeah, Peter won 70% of the vote – but even in the face of selective notifications, two emails explicitly telling members how to vote, censorship of opposing viewpoints, and a poll run internally with no external oversight, 101 full party members still managed to write in to call for a leadership election. That’s not a few irrelevant trolls and liars, is it?

I wasn’t surprised by the outcome of this vote, but I am surprised by just how blatant the effort to bias the vote was, and I hope this continues to serve as a wake-up call to the discontented membership who have been increasingly objecting to having their comments deleted from the CLEAR website and Facebook wall. However, all is not lost – there’s some interesting new developments happening in the next month or two, so watch this space.

In the meantime, if anyone fancies trying their luck auditing the election results, Peter Reynolds did promise to any “legitimate outside organisation” access to their “robust” process.

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When are rape jokes not funny?

April 9th, 2012

Joke Alert When are rape jokes not funny?

My proposed answer to this question’s title is “Always”. But my reasoning is not the same as many people who campaign against rape jokes. Many say “you shouldn’t tell rape jokes because you don’t know if you’re going to trigger an unpleasant experience for people listening who might have been raped in that past”. I understand that point of view, although I disagree with it. I would definitely not try to tell a joke in the presence of someone I knew would be traumatised by it, but I don’t think avoiding all jokes that might upset anyone at all is a good idea. Some people are absolutely terrified of dogs, does that mean I can’t tell “my dog’s got no nose!” just in case? Censorship is a poor form of tolerance.

No, my reasoning is about the underlying assumptions that lead to the creation of different categories of jokes. Dead baby jokes are some of the crassest jokes I’ve ever heard, but that’s because they’re mainly based on the assumption that dead babies aren’t really anything to laugh about. If you don’t like the thought of a dead baby, you won’t like a dead baby joke. If you’re more indifferent, however, the ick of the thought of a dead baby can be a good set-up to a punchline – you can’t create a much more serious set up to a joke than dead babies. That’s why people like telling them, and why people find them funny (when they’re actually funny and not just “uhuhuhuh, dead baby”).

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However, rape jokes are usually based on the assumption that rape is somehow justified in some cases. The set up is based on the idea that rape is wrong, and the punch line is shattering that expectation… by implying that rape is ok sometimes. So no-one says, “How do you stop a baby crawling round in circles? Nail its other hand to the floor” encourages people to think that nailing babies to the floor is an ok thing to do. But “Some people don’t like rape jokes. In my experience I find it helps break the awkward tension afterwards. ” implies that the teller has committed rape, but that’s kind of ok because it’s funny, thereby devaluing the concept of rape.

Does telling a rape joke encourages rape? Does telling a murder joke cause murder? Actually, I couldn’t find a funny joke about murder while writing this. The funniest jokes that involve murder aren’t actually about murder, they’re simply a part of the set-up which actually revolves around people being stupid, court rooms, the justice system, etc. (if anyone can think of one please post it below). So, take a joke about Saddam Hussein:

“When Saddam Hussein was found guilty he was originally sentenced to be shot.

His last request was to name his own firing squad: He chose Lampard, Gerrard and Carragher from 12 yards.”

Involves the death of Saddam Hussein, actually about the footballing ability of people I’ve never heard of. What I found was that jokes that involve deliberate murder as the punch line were based on the assumption that some people deserve to die, including mothers-in-law, political figures, people from other countries and wives (note the heavy representation of women there…).

“You’re locked in a room with Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler, and a lawyer. You have a gun with ONLY two bullets. What do you do?

Shoot the lawyer twice to make sure he’s dead.”

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I have no idea whether listening to a joke about lawyers being murdered encourages the murder of lawyers, but there’s a reasonable argument to be made that rape jokes encourage rape. All rapists think that all men are rapists, they’re just better at covering it up. And when your culture bases a significant part of its humour on the assumption that a) people deserve to be raped sometimes and b) that the idea that rape isn’t ok is something to laugh about, who can really blame them for assuming that?

A woman is raped somewhere in the world every six minutes. There’s not a lot you can do about that. However, by laughing at a joke you don’t actually agree with the politics of, you encourage the person who told it to to tell it again. Which increases the comfort factor of all those would-be rapists out there who haven’t learned what consent means. Which makes it more likely they will rape someone. Maybe you don’t believe that, but we do know that people are more than willing to send messages threatening rape to female columnists when they think they won’t face consequences. If we as a culture encourage the idea that rape itself has no consequences, what, really, is there to deter them?

I spent a lot of time thinking about this, because I know more than one person who has been sexually assaulted/raped who still tell rape jokes/laugh at them, and more than one who can’t bear it. That’s my view for now, but I would be very interested in hearing alternative arguments in the comments, if you have any.

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Some pieces on drugs – March 2012

March 31st, 2012

This blog seems to be getting a bit off-track on other stuff while I tone down my blogging in order to write my dissertation, so I should document some blog posts I posted on the Re:Vision Drug Policy Network recently:

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Ending the drug war: what we’ve done and what we’re doing

In January 2011, I had a dream. A dream of a national organisation for young people focussed on a control and regulation model for drug policy. As it was a quite literal dream, I sat bolt upright in bed and started scribbling down everything I could remember. What did we want to do? How would that work? How on earth were we going to find volunteers, money, advice?
One year on, and as the Re:Vision Drug Policy Network’s first birthday passed largely unnoticed last week – we were too busy campaigning – we’re still asking ourselves those questions, but we do so with a base of volunteers stretching from Edinburgh to London, and even abroad. It has been hard work, but rewarding hard work.

Read More.

Please don’t send your stoner teenager to military school!

We were contacted recently by Major Momma, who runs a blog describing how she placed her sixteen year old son in military school last September because, as far as has been implied in her posts, she caught him smoking weed and being a grumpy teenager on his summer break. I have replied to her privately, but it also seemed somewhat important to comment publicly for the benefit of parents who may be considering similar measures.

Re:Vision Drug Policy Network neither condemn nor condone the use of drugs – we recognise that some people do use drugs, and we seek to mitigate the harmful consequences that drugs and the laws which regulate them can have. We fundamentally disagree that imprisoning your children in a military academy is in any way an appropriate solution to any concerns you may have over their drug use.

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Peter Reynolds vs. Clear: Rolling updates

March 30th, 2012

5th April, 22:42: Peter has called a vote of no confidence in him as leader:

My leadership has come under sustained attack. There has been a vicious hate campaign of lies, abuse, forgeries and false allegations. Recently, those responsible have also turned on my colleagues, Derek Williams, Jan Wells and Mark Palmer. These brave individuals fight for truth and justice against jealous, ignoble and cowardly bullies. They are champions of the cause.

Those who waste their energy on opposing us rather than campaigning for reform have demonstrated that their real ambition is to hijack CLEAR, just as they tried to hijack our website.

Now is the time for a new leadership mandate. I am calling for a vote of confidence in me.

The vote will take place in about a fortnight’s time. It will be administered by Jan Wells, the party secretary and treasurer. Jan will devise a robust process which will be verifiable and subject to audit by any legitimate outside organisation. It will ensure that all votes are cast by members and that each member can only vote once. Further details will follow.

Fair enough then. If that happens. People are already complaining about being censored on the CLEAR Facebook page calling for both sides to be able to put their case to the membership, so we shall see what happens with this “robust”, “subject to audit” process.

But if Peter does win in a fair-handed manner, then I do think that puts paid to efforts to oust him as leader. There’s still very valid and compelling criticisms to be made, but if he manages to persuade 350 people to vote him, then fair enough, really. Folks should go elsewhere.

The Politics UK poll is at 462-41 in favour of Peter’s sacking, btw. It will be genuinely interesting to see if this is reflected in the party vote.

Now, I said before that I was closing this rolling updates, but then interesting things happened. As we now await the result of this vote, I am not expecting anything hugely exciting to happen, and I have very, very nearly finished my dissertation while all this has been going on…

Although, before everyone gets distracted by this vote, perhaps someone could ask what happened with the internet lawyers that Peter’s parents paid for so he could sue Chris Bovey?

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Peter Reynolds vs. Clear: Rolling updates 30th March – 2nd April

March 30th, 2012

This is an archived version of the Rolling Updates, which you can find here.

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00:57am: Tomorrow promises to be a fun-filled day of action, my friends, I shall see you then. :)

22:36pm: On Soundcloud, Peter Reynolds has already gotten in with the threat/complain/insult cycle, on someone even he has to admit he doesn’t even know anything about:

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19:56pm: Clear are adamant they are going to the High Court tomorrow:

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And the Politics UK poll is at 307-25, but, really, who gives a crap about any of that, because someone just released a Downfall parody of Peter Reynolds being told he’s been sacked:


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Everyone Vs. Peter Reynolds (Lol)

March 30th, 2012

You know, when I see political scandals unfolding on a news cycle and people say, “I’m not resigning, I’m not resigning, ok, I’m resigning”, I’ve often wondered what made them turn around and realise the game was up. What would happen, I wondered, if they just stuck it out and refused to recognise the lack of public support? Well, now I know, and the result isn’t pretty.

We left the saga of Peter Reynolds, dear reader, many weeks ago when Peter Reynolds was threatening to sue me for lying about him. What lies these were were never specified, but I got harrassing messages fishing for my address anyway. I asked for legal advice, got “this is total bollocks” back, and got on with, you know, that drug law reform organisation I work for, and that degree I do.

It seems that Peter Reynolds also got on with running a serious cannabis law reform campaign, uniting users and activists in a solid front against the forces of prohibition- lol, jk, he totally wrote this about me to ElectroPig™ Von FökkenGrüüven, who published this piece on my blog about his efforts to mobilise a cannabis information roadshow and presumably asked Peter Reynolds if he could do the same thing: Read the rest of this entry »

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Overgrow The World 2012 North American Tour

March 19th, 2012

Guest post by ElectroPig™ Von FökkenGrüüven.

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Overgrow the world.


Several years back, after watching one, two, three…more…too many decent, honest people dying of cancer, I created “Overgrow The World” (OTW) as a way to help educate and inform others of the benefits of cannabis for medicinal purposes, and to serve as a “central clearing house” of sorts, where information would be available to help this idea along. Shortly after starting the site, two of the most important global events in the cannabis community occurred. The “vacation raid” of Rick Simpson’s home (November 25th, 2009) while he was in Amsterdam receiving the Freedom Fighter of The Year award from High Times Magazine, and the heart attack (September 2009) and eventual death of Jack Herer (April 15th, 2010).

OTW was the first site to publish anything seriously about Rick’s home being “raided”, while few agreed to publish anything. I had friends in Amsterdam at the time, so I got the news within hours of Rick himself finding out about the situation back home.

One of the things that OTW was created to do was to serve as a “launchpad”, where all honest cannabis information web sites would be linked, so that if we didn’t already have the specific information needed, we would have a link to the site(s) that did, and we could send visitors wherever they needed to go.

OTW was not designed to generate revenue nor fame. Unfortunately, the vast majority of web sites out there don’t want to be linked to anyone who wants to see prohibition REPEALED. They don’t want to allow anyone else to “steal their thunder”, as their incomes and/or egos rely on “credit taking”, rather than actually achieving concrete results for the people who provide those web sites with their income streams. In effect, a situation has arisen where there are more people profiting off prohibition today than who honestly want to see it ended. This needs to be shifted back in favour of the good of The People.

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Alcohol vs. cannabis


I’ve been rather vocal about this, and in the process I’ve been attacked repatedly by a few “big names” in the cannabis/hemp community. I can live with that. I understand that these “big names” are just like the corrupt police, politicians and courts: their livelihood is based on the fact that prohibition exists, so if I were successful in getting people to think about all aspects of the situation, I might lead enough people into making the right decisions, and we could finally move towards the repeal of all these failed statutes.

Over the last few years, I’ve been asked to attend so many events that when someone came up with the idea of buying an RV and just going to all of them, it struck me as a valid concept…if enough support can be found to get it onto the streets where it belongs. The idea sitting in your head does nobody any good.

So the idea of the Overgrow The World 2012 North American Tour is simple: To get on the roads all across North America, providing the public with honest, accurate information about why the “war on drugs” needs to end, and the benefits of simply not doing the wrong thing any longer.

Most people believe that the hemp festivals and medical expos are the only way we’re going to help educate our fellow citizens, but the problem is that most people never attend such events. Either they don’t know the event(s) exist at all, or they’re simply too far away to make the trip. The simplest answer is to put that information on the road, a mobile billboard travelling from one coast to the other, from the top of the continent to the bottom, and all points in between, helping to inform people by providing providing information and web links, including on the side of the bus, providing information everywhere it travels.

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It would probably look something like this.


The main difficulty is that there are too many competing interests out there, not only outside, but within the cannabis/hemp marketplace who only want to see their specific self-fractionalized faction get what they want, regardless of how many people continue to suffer.

The “medical only” people don’t care about hemp farmers, since they don’t grow “medicinally viable varieties”, and they can’t stand the “casual crowd” since many medicinal cannabis users aren’t using cannabis “to get high”, and they take offense at those who do.

Casual users don’t care about medicinal uses, since their prevailing doctrine is “I got mine.” They also have no feeling whatsoever for the hemp market, and for the same reasons as the medicinal users: farmers don’t grow medicinally beneficial varieties.

Hemp farmers, of course, don’t want to be associated with “dumbass potheads” for the obvious stereotypical and propagandized reasons, and they also don’t want anything to do with medicinal cannabis, even though they would stand to benefit most, as under a full repeal of cannabis/hemp prohibition, farmers would then be able to grow whatever strain of cannabis they wished, making a single crop available to multiple markets. Logically, if a farmer grew medicinally beneficial varieties, they could then sell the bud for medicinal uses, the seed for food and/or fuel, and the stalks for fiber and fuel (cellulosic ethanol), and the leaves could be tilled back into their fields as free fertilizer. Three crops in one would enable them to earn a better living, while helping lower soil toxicity, reducing the amount of toxins in their soil and in subsequent crops, and helping to lower the overall pesticide levels in the food supply.

But we will not repeal prohibition fully unless and until we all understand the benefits of this plant, and this requires the education of hundreds of millions of people out there that don’t already know what we know, and understanding that we’re all fighting the same fight.

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Non-hippies also welcome.


Nobody else is out there doing this, even though we all realize that we need to reach a critical informed mass in order to get the job done, so when the suggestion came to just “get it on the road”, I figured it would be worth a shot. I’m willing to put in the time…now all I need is the backing. We need to get the RV, to collect the best information from the best sources, and simply start driving and give it all away to anyone who sees the bus on the road, or at an event.

More information about the tour here.

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UMSU Exec Election Results 2012

March 16th, 2012

Final rounds only:

Activities and Development:

Tommy Fish: 1309
Rachel Longworth: 764

Wellbeing

Catriona Gray: 967
Kaspar
Lisa Murgatroyd: 407

Campaigns:

Khalil Secker: 1039
Zoe Creighton-Hird; 674

Communities:

Kaz Dyson: 867
Nick Wilkinson: 761

Women’s:

Tabz O’Brien-Butcher: 976
Grace Skelton: 750

Diversity:

Saad Wahid: 1007
Lucy Kravariti: 951

Education:

Luke Newton: 1136
Hafsa Mahmood: 1133

General Secretary:

Nick Pringle: 2072
Raj Basu: 1781

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Would you like to Come to the Best Conference in the World (about Autism)?

February 27th, 2012

So I have this friend, Chris. And one day, Chris called me up and says “Do you fancy running an autistic conference/fun weekend for 300 people?” And I says, “When?” And Chris says “This summer.” And I says “You want to organise a three day conference for three hundred people this summer?” And Chris says “Yeah. ”

And I said, “Sounds great.” And Chris said, “Cool, let me send you want I’ve planned so far.”
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